tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post1486216628589035006..comments2024-03-28T03:13:28.585-04:00Comments on Beauty, and What It Means: Golda Poretsky, Wellness Counselor, New York CityAutumn Whitefield-Madranohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03379314479257695986noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-10370420646489224202013-11-17T10:20:19.534-05:002013-11-17T10:20:19.534-05:00Live healthy guys! Thank you for this very informa...Live healthy guys! Thank you for this very informative article.. :)<br /><a href="http://www.soulscribbler.com/category/wellness/" rel="nofollow">Wellness Articles</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05880775936524788389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-17798492204658665402011-10-14T01:36:13.760-04:002011-10-14T01:36:13.760-04:00Kathe, thank you for coming back with a somewhat m...Kathe, thank you for coming back with a somewhat more respectful tone. (I doubt how much you really want to "help" people "get motivated" and "didn't mean to offend" if you come onto a guest blog and tell someone they're unattractive, but I try to give my commenters the benefit of the doubt.) I understand that Health at Every Size is counterintuitive, and part of what I think Golda's message is, is that it's okay to think differently than the mainstream. Health at Every Size is proffering an alternative to the "diet and you'll lose weight and be healthy!" mind-set--and it's an alternative that's catching on. People with "healthy" BMIs die younger than those who are slightly overweight by BMI standards; the President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports has said that weight is less important than a healthy diet and physical activity. I think what you're stumbling over is the idea that someone can be overweight by BMI standards but still be eating healthfully and exercising. Of course someone subsisting on a diet of Mars bars is unhealthy, but that's not what Health at Every Size is about. The first word there--health--shows just that. Any responsible wellness advocate will advise eating a healthy, nutritious diet and getting appropriate exercise. For most people, that will land them in the "normal" BMI zone. For some, it won't. Yes, there's a correlation between weight and some diseases, but it's not a sentence. (My obese mother has lower cholesterol than I do, for example, and I'm well within the "normal" range, eat well, exercise, etc.)<br /><br />I think that the "next step," as you put it, for people who are *unhealthy*, not just fat, is to look at what lifestyle changes can be made to promote health. Weight loss may indeed follow, but it doesn't *need* to follow to be effective. <br /><br />Listen, I'm not even a HAES follower to a T. I think HAES is more helpful than calling fat people unmotivated, and I think a lot of the science of it stands up. And some of it doesn't. I think that the "truth" of body weight lies somewhere between HAES and conventional wisdom. (I think America has a wildly disordered relationship with food and that it's difficult to suss out what's what as long as that's the case.) But we'll never find out what the real deal is if we shame people who are trying to give good alternatives to the same old line of thinking that hasn't worked, and that serves to make people feel like failures. In THAT sense I am a HAES advocate all the way.Autumn Whitefield-Madranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379314479257695986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-77541226120620075272011-10-13T23:27:39.140-04:002011-10-13T23:27:39.140-04:00I did not mean to offend anyone; just to give a re...I did not mean to offend anyone; just to give a reality check. I think the most unkind thing we can do is encourage people to detach from reality. We should encourage people to be eat healthy, to exercise, and to be a reasonable weight so that health insurance premiums can be lower. Being overweight is correlated with heart disease and diabetes.<br /><br />Accepting that you need to lose weight is the first step and by the way, I have to watch what I eat and I work out regularly. I want to stress that I have no idea to dump on anyone, just to help them get motivated. When I am at the gym and see a fat person there, I think "good for them."<br /><br />By, the way, my name is Kathe. Have no desire to hide or dump, would like to start a conversation.Kathenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-23267384032790521382011-10-13T11:58:35.320-04:002011-10-13T11:58:35.320-04:00ModernSauce, yay! Here's to an excellent sessi...ModernSauce, yay! Here's to an excellent session (Golda's great, you'll like her). <br /><br />Martha Joy, your Norwegian troll made my day.<br /><br />MathaDawn, totally agreed about the need for self-care--thank you for reading.<br /><br />Sonia, I'm so pleased that Golda's work has helped you learn to care for yourself better. And I think you absolutely hit it on the head: When you are in a place of peace with your body, you fall into an intuitive space in which you know what your body needs and you don't experience guilt about giving it exactly that.<br /><br />Anonymous, I encourage you to read what following commenters have said in response to your take on body acceptance--particularly Sonia, whose experience is the norm, NOT the exception. Yes, there are plenty of people who are fat and unhealthy, just as there are plenty of people who are thin and unhealthy. I don't know anyone who has truly reached a place of bodily acceptance who just eats crap all day--eating crap makes you feel like crap, and when you accept yourself you don't want to feel like crap. The people I know who accept their bodies, regardless of their size, eat healthy portions of nutritious foods, and eat treats as they see socially and personally appropriate. It's the people who don't accept their bodies who are treating their bodies shabbily. Whether being overweight by BMI standards is physically healthy or not is another question--there's evidence on both sides and I try to stay neutral on that. All I know is that not accepting one's body is NOT the way to health, mental or physical.<br /><br />I'm not deleting your comment because others have responded, and also because in principle I don't want to tamp down any discourse here. But had I seen this comment earlier I would have deleted it--not because I don't welcome thoughtful disagreement here (which this wasn't) but because you're trolling a guest of mine. Doing it to me is one thing, but Golda is a guest here.Autumn Whitefield-Madranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379314479257695986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-57012067347528848932011-10-12T19:30:54.369-04:002011-10-12T19:30:54.369-04:00Anonymous, certainly you don't know what you a...Anonymous, certainly you don't know what you are talking about, and you might be full of resentment or hate toward people that don't share your views in life, I'm not saying you are, maybe you are a perfectly functional person that enjoys trolling on-line.<br />Dear Mr or Mrs Anonymous, body love is not about saying I love myself any way, so I'll sit on the couch all days with a KFC bucket on my side.<br />Body love is about first accepting who you where in the past, and who you are in the present,and yes you can be attractive and fat, attractiveness is subjective any way. body love is treating your body in a good manner. I've been there immersed in body hate, and I've been there with Golda, helping me to deal with this, its been about a year and a half since I first met her. loving myself really saved me from hurting my body a lot more, and also gave me the self confidence to enjoy exercise, and to stop binging, I might not be thin, but I don't stuff with food any more. <br />And no anonymous, I didn't became fatter, or a lazy slob, and my life is not at a bigger risk because I learned to love and accept my self. loving yourself is not dangerous.<br />I just stopped obsessing with my weight, and "dieting" I eat better (which means to me: I don't binge any more, I eat when I'm hungry, stop when i feel satisfied, and giving variety to what i eat) accepting your self is not the same that not taking care of your self, anonymous, I think your concepts are kind of messed up.Soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01213474992918731985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-56547177600202154012011-10-12T17:39:23.483-04:002011-10-12T17:39:23.483-04:00Self Care and love are extremely needed when learn...Self Care and love are extremely needed when learning to accept and love oneself. Well done.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18242726319663216234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-4797369111772615282011-10-12T13:59:49.911-04:002011-10-12T13:59:49.911-04:00Oh hai anonymous coward ^____^
You know, there is...Oh hai anonymous coward ^____^<br /><br />You know, there is not always a connection between being fat and physically unhealthy. But there might be untreated mental issues, most of them related to assjerks like you doing a whole lot of judging. <br /><br />Also, we have better trolls in Norway than what you just managed here. <a href="http://www.nfi.no/Norsk+film/Nyhetsarkiv/_image/44768.png?_encoded=2f66666666666678302f35382f3b29303436286874646977656c616373&_ts=12b0fbc6ea7" rel="nofollow">Have a look!</a>Martha Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02461330577913907626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-39108421795345027312011-10-12T01:40:03.688-04:002011-10-12T01:40:03.688-04:00Telling people that it's ok to be fat is disho...Telling people that it's ok to be fat is dishonest and dangerous. You can love your fat self all you want; that does not make you attractive nor healthy. You are deluding yourself and driving up health insurance premiums for others. Get yourself professional help and get in touch with reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5689865906513225949.post-74603328575378905682011-10-11T10:44:34.003-04:002011-10-11T10:44:34.003-04:00Fantastique indeed! Just signed up. ; )
Great ...Fantastique indeed! Just signed up. ; ) <br /><br />Great interview as usual!ModernSaucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993930835985764220noreply@blogger.com